[U-Boot-Users] Flash environment vs EEPROM environment

[Jerry Van Baren]

Roger Larsson wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 February 2005 20.06, Jerry Van Baren wrote:
> 
>>Wolfgang Denk wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Thomas,
>>>
>>>in message 
> 
> <D9F0B2AD4531B0449D51C1F09199D484050E72 at mail.kom-saarbruecken.com> you wrote:
> 
>>>>Yes, I know that this has been discussed recently and the recommendation
>>>>is to store the environment in flash, but:
>>>
>>>Indeed.
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>>>>- Are there conditions known to cause similar effects with flash chips
>>>>as described for EEPROM devices? Could power loss or similar conditions
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>
>>>>when writing environment sectors cause a flash device to destroy other
>>>>sectors than the just written one?
>>>
>>>In theory yes. You could assume a  system  without  power  monitoring
>>>where  the  power  is failing slowly so that at some point during the
>>>brownout the CPU migth start executing  bogus  insructions,  or  that
>>>some  bus  driver  corrupts  the  addresses  or data, or... In theory
>>>anything can happen.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Wolfgang Denk
>>
>>Flash corruption is more than in theory: proper hardware design is to
>>have a power fail warning sufficient to allow a flash write cycle to
>>complete before power completely fails and your software should not
>>write to the flash when the power fail warning is active.
> 
> 
> I assume this is true for all flash CHIPS and not only higher level
> assemblies like Compact Flash (that I read can be destroyed if written
> to when power fails)
> 
> /RogerL

Correct.  My experience is actually with bare flash chips (NAND and 
NOR).  Assemblies will inherit the problems (to the best of my 
knowledge).  Since most applications write rarely and diabolical power 
glitches happen even rarer (except in our labs where we have a 
diabolical glitch machine for testing :-), most people get away without 
taking special precautions (power failure warnings).

I've seen a CF marketing sheet (I forgot which manufacturer offhand) 
which bragged that their CF would not get corrupted if power were 
removed "unexpectedly", but in the fine print it stated that power had 
to be held up for some period of time (basically a write cycle time) 
after a write.  Of course, that requires a power failure warning ;-).

Always read the fine print :-).

Incidentally, I have never seen a bare flash chip be destroyed.  I 
believe what happens with CF et al. assemblies is that the metadata gets 
corrupted and the CF controller gets confused, turning it into a brick 
(well, more like a skipping stone).  I understand you can do a low level 
format to recover them.  A quick google search turned up:
   http://www.sandisk.com/retail/rescuepro.asp
   http://www.lc-tech.com/rescuepro.htm

gvb