[U-Boot-Users] U-Boot-NG ?

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Sascha,

in message <20070703223156.GD8839 at pengutronix.de> you wrote:
>
> > Yes, but "provide a little bit of debug output"  means  printf()  and
> > friends,  plus  console  drivers,  which  in  turn  means reading the
> > environment (for the console baudrate) and probably the  device  tree
> > (for the hardware configuration of the console port), etc.
> 
> I think you're talking about two different things here. The debug output

No, actually I'm not.

> you want to see has nothing to do with the output in normal use. When
> bringing up a green board I would not ask the environment for the
> baudrate, because there is none.

You are right as far as dedicated debug output is concerned, which is
normally not active or even present in the code of a release version.
But please see my other messages: I still want to be  able  to  *see*
what's going on in my system and where it eventually might get stuck,
including in the release versions of the code.

> Thinking about this U-Boot already has this. Only the way it is done
> became very messy over the years. Not only this mailing list but also
> the code looks like a struggling between the people who want early
> debug output and the people who want to configure their console in the
> environment, possibly disabling it completely. People with multiple
> serial ports not to mention...

Please be aware that work is  going  on  to  make  hardware  features
(including  the console port) configurable at runtime by interpreting
information passed in a device tree image. This is a requirement that
makes things even more complicated  here.  And  one  that  cannot  be
dropped easily as it solves a real problem for a couple of users.

> The console thing is symptomatic for other cases in U-Boot aswell. This
> is why I think we need to start with a cleaner codebase where a driver
> or board support only enters after it works with a to be defined API.

Well, then we have to make sure that console driver  can  be  entered
very, very early. Ideally, it is the first thing U-Boot should do.

> > Assume something like a MPC8xx with console on SMC1 or SMC2, depending
> > on that the device tree says...
> 
> Sounds like calling the president for turning on the lights. Please do

I'm not sure what you mean here.

> not forget that there are also other people. None of our customers ever
> asked for a even configurable console. 115200 port0 seems to fit everyone.
> Instead we have to deal with Booting from small boot sectors.

I never said that U-Boot was a trivial thing, and I am very well aware
that we have a wide range of requirements, which sometimes may even be
conflicting. 

We are discussing these  things  here  so  that  you  understand  our
requirements,  as  we  understand  yours.  Then  lets together find a
solution which works for everybody.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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