Determining Simon Glass's future in the U-Boot project

[neil.armstrong at linaro.org]

On 30/05/2025 14:15, Ilias Apalodimas wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 May 2025 at 20:59, Tom Rini <trini at konsulko.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> First, I am not happy to be writing this email. But at this point, I
>> feel I have no other choice, for the good of the overall project and
>> community.
>>
>> Back in January[0] of this year I made a post with almost this same
>> subject line. At that point there had already been a number of problems
>> working with Simon and the overall community. I did not include a list
>> of links. At that point the easiest answer would be to go to the mailing
>> list archive, pick any thread that Simon and I had and see the long
>> disagreements. This trend has fundamentally not changed. And while I
>> started this out with some threads and my summaries of them, instead I
>> want to point to this email I sent this mornig:
>> https://lore.kernel.org/u-boot/20250528170533.GE100073@bill-the-cat/
>>
>> And to repeat what I said there, Simon needs to decide if it's more
>> important to work with the community or have his way every time. Simon
>> cannot have both.
> 
> +1.
> 
> Since I was involved in enough ... I don't mind reviewing patches and
> giving feedback. That's what I signed up for. Reading the same 30+
> series patches though with only 10% of the feedback addressed is just
> not working.
> 
>> Simon needs to accept that some things he think are
>> good ideas have been rejected or he needs to fork off from U-Boot. Or he
>> can ask the community to take over as the project head. If the community
>> wants Simon to run things, I will step down and just be an individual
>> contributor again. Five months of this experiment shows me that it's not
>> working at all and will only be a bigger problem as time goes on.
> 
> FWIW I think you are doing an excellent job and I'd like the situation
> to remain as is.

I'm backing Ilias and Casey here, you're doing an excellent job, maintaining
such project is difficult and you do the job.

Neil

> 
>>
>> And, I mean it. I cannot take the additional stress of what new problems
>> await me every morning. I do not take the above lightly, but I do not
>> think the project can become healthy moving forward without some
>> resolution here and quickly. While I won't claim my time as the head of
>> the project has been perfect, I have tried my best to always be honest
>> and fair and to seek compromise.
>>
>> With respect to voting, would anyone volunteer to run a poll from
>> https://civs1.civs.us/ (which is used by the Yocto Project /
>> OpenEmbedded and likely other FOSS projects/communities) ?
> 
> Thanks
> /Ilias
>>
>> --
>> Tom